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E, ovako treba... => Brodogradnja => Aluminiumski čamci => Temu započeo: Профа 04, 03, 2010, 00:43:38 pre podne
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Danska radionica...
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e jebiga profo gdje gotov brod
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jel se meni cini ili su ovo dva broda u izgradnji ? nekako mi se cini da rade dav korita
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I majstori...
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Koja patnja sa aluminjumom! :suicide:
A kako je tek našim majstorima: sa velikim željama kupaca, skromnim budžetom i premalo specijalizovanog alata u neadekvatnim radionicama!
E sad se vraćamo na moj komentar domaće radinosti:
Kad domaći majstori budu dostigli barem ovaj nivo izrade, tada ću ponovo raditi čamac.
A do tada .. :nono:
Naravno da je sve uslovljeno sa prokletim novcima, ali ono što se ovde nudi od Aluminijuma uglavnom ne vredi te novce,
Uključujući i moj čamac.
:stop:
:drinks:
Working with aluminium is real torment.
And our boatbuilders: they have to combine great desires from customers, modest budget and just a few specialized tools and unadekquate workshops.
And now go back to my comment of self builders, when domestic boatbuilder come to this level then I will order a new boat again.
Of course everything is depending on that damn money, but that aluminium-made boats what we get offered here, usually aren't worth money we pay, including even my boat.
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Milina je gledati ove slike...jeste li primetili da nema niti jednog "L" profila, sve se radi od lima...cela kostrukcija...E o tome smo pričali...To su prave brodske konstrukcije... :good:
Daj još Profo ovakvih tema,sa slikama izgradnje...
It is reall pleasure looking at tis pictures... did u noticed that there is not a single L profile , everything is made from lain aluminium whole construction.... that what we have talked abaout... ...this is real boat construction
profo give us more topics like this with images from boat building
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Sale, ovo je za tebe.
A Vlada bi trebalo da dobro pogleda ove postove, i da malo ukrade zanat. Ovo je neka prava mera za naše uslove.
I još da poručim svim našim majstorima da uporede ove radove sa svojim. I da stave prst na čelo... Nije mnogo komplikovanije ali je mnogo lepše, sigurnije i vrednije.
Profo samo nastavi. Ovo je pravo štivo za sve nas. Ja gutam sve tvoje teme i da budem iskren sve slike skidam i čuvam.
To je to, veoma slično onom Rusu, s tim što je ovo baš predviđeno za rad u aluminijumu!
Prava stvar!
Profo, svaka čast! :good:
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Jeste li videli koja je marka tog crvenog aparata za varenje?
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Nesto na slovo K.Kao da je "KONCAR" :taunt:
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jel mislis na ovaj sto im je ovako slatko iskrivo lim :taunt:
(http://www.mojaladja.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3214.0;attach=32397;image)
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E bas taj, moj imenjak,samo nije im on iskrivio lim, vec kada su lim natezali dizalicom malo su preterali.
I ostali aluminijumski camci koje je Profa postavio(tema uradi sam i Akes) su vareni Kemppi aparatima(vide se u pozadini),ali se na ovim slikama najjasnije vidi.
Kemppi je jedan od renomiranih svetskih proizvodjaca aparata za varenje,ovaj na slici kosta oko 7000 evra,koliko taj camaca u Srbiji treba da napravi da bi se otplatio.
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Sale, ovo je za tebe.
A Vlada bi trebalo da dobro pogleda ove postove, i da malo ukrade zanat. Ovo je neka prava mera za naše uslove.
I još da poručim svim našim majstorima da uporede ove radove sa svojim. I da stave prst na čelo... Nije mnogo komplikovanije ali je mnogo lepše, sigurnije i vrednije.
Profo samo nastavi. Ovo je pravo štivo za sve nas. Ja gutam sve tvoje teme i da budem iskren sve slike skidam i čuvam.
Snimio sam ih 2 minuta po postavljanju,tako se to radi,samo sta mislite koliko kostaju alati ne racunam aparat za zavarivanje(on je najmanja stavka)prese,sablon cnc...
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AluAngler 6605 "Testrun" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp-90mUg8FA&feature=player#)
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i ja bi glisirao sa 115 konja :good:
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Welcome Ufling!
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Welcome, dear Ufling.
It is nice that you have decided to join us and it is even better that you are willing to share with us your knowledge and experience.
Shortly about our posts regarding your construction and your boat:
Generally, comments were appraisals for your work and compliments to design.
There were also a few comments regarding the technique and equipment you have used during construction and assembling.
The rest were comments and jokes between members of our forum regarding our real chances to build such a boat. For most of us this design will remain something we only can dream about.
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Hi Uffe ,
welcome to our forum , i have translated some of posts (in red ) so u can read what we have writen abaout boat , also if there is any new postings i will traslate to english or serbian :)
And now a question from me:) what is thiknes of aluminum for the hull ? and wath for the ribs ?
Pozdrav Uffe
Dobrodosao na forum, preveo sam neke postove (crevno) tako da mozes a porcitas sta smo pricali o tvom camcu. Takodje ako bude jos nekih novih postova ja cu ih prevesti :)
A sad jedno pitanje od mene , koja je debljina aluminijuma na koritu , a koja na egijama ?
ko zna neka odmah svoj post prevede na engleski a ja cu za one koji ne znau engleski prevoditi ...
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Welcome Ufling!
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Kapetane, Dno je od 5mm, stranice i unutrašnja konstrukcija 4mm. :good:
AlMg3% ?
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Upotrebljen je AlMg4,5Mn sa trgovačkom oznakom AW 5083
Piše gore , na prvoj slici! :good:
[color=]They were using AlMg4,5Mn, usually marked as AW5083 .
You have it up there, on picture No1![/color]
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Znači tvdo do bola! Pomalo krto, ali pretpostavljam da je sve majstorski odradjeno i po projektu! :good:
Inače u Aluminijum se dodaje od 0.5 - 5% Mg, što ga ima više, tvđi je i krući!
"Moj" je taban od 3mm AlMg3%
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EN AW 5083 [AlMg4,5Mn0,7]
Dakle legura ima 4.5%Mg(Magnezijuma) + 0.7%Mn (Mangana) :good:
http://www.gleich.de/en/rolled-plates/en-aw-5083-details/?generatepdf (http://www.gleich.de/en/rolled-plates/en-aw-5083-details/?generatepdf)
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Hi All
Thanks for the translation, You are better than Google! And thanks for the positive comments!
Of course it’s ok to post the pictures; I decided to share them at picasaweb http://picasaweb.google.com/TeamUfling/AluAngler6605# (http://picasaweb.google.com/TeamUfling/AluAngler6605#) because I found it hard to find similar pictures of the building process when I considered building myself. I think most manufactures are not willing to share detailed pictures because they are afraid that they will lose business..
As you have already seen the thickness of the material is on the first picture. Regarding the welding machine it’s a Kemppi Pro Evolution 4200 power sources and a ProMig 511 wire feeder with the MXE control unit http://www.kemppi.com/inet/kemppi/kit.nsf/DocsPlWeb/pro_evolution_all_langs_20091013.EN.pdf/ (http://www.kemppi.com/inet/kemppi/kit.nsf/DocsPlWeb/pro_evolution_all_langs_20091013.EN.pdf/)$file/pro_evolution_all_langs_20091013.EN.pdf
I had no experience in MIG welding aluminum prior to beginning; it only took a few hours of training before I felt “god to go” the MXE are pre-programmed to weld in a lot of different alloys, so it’s just to chose the right material and thickness and the “finetune”
I used this wire, which gives the best strength result in 5083 plate http://www.alcotec.com/us/en/Almigweld/5183.cfm (http://www.alcotec.com/us/en/Almigweld/5183.cfm)
Best regards
Uffe "Ufling" Nielsen
http://teamufling.blogspot.com (http://teamufling.blogspot.com)
Da pomognem malo:
"Pozdrav svima
Hvala na prevodima, Bolji ste od Google-a! I hvala na pozitivnim komentarima!
Naravno da je u redu da prikazujete slike; odlučio sam da ih podelim na picasaweb-u http://picasaweb.google.com/TeamUfling/AluAngler6605# (http://picasaweb.google.com/TeamUfling/AluAngler6605#) zato što mi je bilo teško da pronadjem slične fotografije procesa izgradnje kada sam o tome počeo da razmišljam. Mislim da najveći broj graditelja nije voljan da podeli detaljne slike jer se plaše da će izgubiti posao..
Kao što ste već videli debljina materijala je na prvoj slici. Mašina za zavarivanje je Kemppi Pro Evolution 4200 power sources i ProMig 511 mašina za dodavanje žice sa MXE kontrolnom jedinicom http://www.kemppi.com/inet/kemppi/kit.nsf/DocsPlWeb/pro_evolution_all_langs_20091013.EN.pdf/ (http://www.kemppi.com/inet/kemppi/kit.nsf/DocsPlWeb/pro_evolution_all_langs_20091013.EN.pdf/)$file/pro_evolution_all_langs_20091013.EN.pdf .
Nisam imao iskustva sa MIG zavarivanjem aluminijuma kada sam počeo; trebalo mi je par sati vežbe pre nego što sam osetio "može da se krene". MXE su pretprogramirani za zavarivanje velikog broja različitih legura, tako da je potrebno samo odabrati pravi materijal o debljinu i "fino podesiti".
Koristio sam ovu žicu, koja daje najbolju jačinu na 5083 tabli http://www.alcotec.com/us/en/Almigweld/5183.cfm (http://www.alcotec.com/us/en/Almigweld/5183.cfm)
Najlepše želje
Uffe "Ufling" Nielsen"
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Uffe, can you tell us the price of your project ?
Without engine, just boat.
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You made design of a boat by yourself in CAD ? Useing these two books "Boatbuilding with aluminium" and "The elements of boat strength" like you said, without earlier knowlage you made Alu Angler ?
You didnt used Rino or same other program to made design?
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With 115 HP Yamaha how fast you can drive, and how much fuel you need by hour?
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Svaka čast, meni se sviđa ovo plovilo :drinks: :drinks: :drinks:
Congratulations, I like this boat!
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very,very nice boat, and thenks for post. :good:
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AluAngler 6605 video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBTd-kYZDW4&feature=related#)
AluAngler 6605 video 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1t72Hl_cdQ&feature=related#)
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115 ks nije tako mnogo na čamcu te veličine i težine.
Max. brzina od 33 čvora je prilično impresivna!
Taj čamac može lako nositi veći motor, da li si planirao tako nešto, makar samo kao test?
115 Hp is not that much on a boat of that size and weight.
Top speed 33 knots is pretty impressive! :good:
That boat can easily take larger engine, have you planned something like that, when even only for testing purposes?
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Ufling da ponovo pravis ovaj brod, da li bi uneo neke izmene i koje ?
Ufling if u have oportuniy to make again this boat will u change anything ?
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Can you post some interior pictures of boat ?
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Uffe, why didint you painted a boat?
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Uffe do u have a construction files from AutoCad ?
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what means flat files?
can these files be used for plywood construction ?
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Pretpostavljam da se mogu koristiti ali samo uz prepravke.
Pogledaj kako se seče šper prilikom gradnje Perinog čamca. (Al se vari, a šper se uklapa) :)
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Flat files su razvijeni planovi za secenje ravnih povrsina izvedeni iz 3D planova, da se direktno prenesu na materijal i sece.